Why I quit using Google

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So I was recently asked why I prefer to use free and open source software over more conventional and popular proprietary software and services.

A few years ago I was an avid Google user. I was deeply embedded in the Google ecosystem and used their products everywhere. I used Gmail for email, Google Calendar and Contacts for PIM, YouTube for entertainment, Google Newsstand for news, Android for mobile, and Chrome as my web browser.

I would upload all of my family photos to Google Photos and all of my personal documents to Google Drive (which were all in Google Docs format). I used Google Domains to register my domain names for websites where I would keep track of my users using Google Analytics and monetize them using Google AdSense.

I used Google Hangouts (one of Google’s previous messaging plays) to communicate with friends and family and Google Wallet (with debit card) to buy things online and in-store.

My home is covered with Google Homes (1 in my office, 1 in my bedroom, 1 in the main living area) which I would use to play music on my Google Play Music subscription and podcasts from Google Podcasts.

I have easily invested thousands of dollars into my Google account to buy movies, TV shows, apps, and Google hardware devices. This was truly the Google life.

Then one day, I received an email from Google that changed everything.

“Your account has been suspended”

Just the thing you want to wake up to in the morning. An email from Google saying that your account has been suspended due to a perceived Terms of Use violation. No prior warning. No appeals process. No number to call. Trying to sign in to your Google account yields an error and all of your connected devices are signed out. All of your Google data, your photos, emails, contacts, calendars, purchased movies and TV shows. All gone.

I nearly had a heart attack, until I saw that the Google account that had been suspended was in fact not my main personal Google account, but a throwaway Gmail account that I created years prior for a project. I hadn’t touched the other account since creation and forgot it existed. Apparently my personal Gmail was listed as the recovery address for the throwaway account and that’s why I received the termination email.

Although I was able to breathe a sigh of relief this time, the email was wake up call. I was forced to critically reevaluate my dependence on a single company for all the tech products and services in my life.

I found myself to be a frog in a heating pot of water and I made the decision that I was going to jump out.

Leaving Google

Today there are plenty of lists on the internet providing alternatives to Google services such as this and this. Although the “DeGoogle” movement was still in its infancy when I was making the move.

The first Google service I decided to drop was Gmail, the heart of my online identity. I migrated to Fastmail with my own domain in case I needed to move again (hint: glad I did, now I self host my email). Fastmail also provided calendar and contacts solutions so that took care of leaving Google Calendar and Contacts.

Here are some other alternatives that I moved to:

Gmail → Fastmail → Self-hosted (via Cloudron)
Google Contacts → Fastmail → Nextcloud Contacts
Google Calendar → Fastmail → Nextcloud Calendar
Google Search → Bing → DuckDuckGo
Google Maps → Bing Maps → OpenStreetMaps and OsmAnd
Google Analytics → Matomo Analytics
Google Drive → Nextcloud Files
Google Photos → Nextcloud Files/Gallery
Google Docs → Collabora Office (Nextcloud integration) and LibreOffice
Google Play Music → Spotify / Plex → Spotify / Jellyfin
Google Play Movies/TV → Plex → Jellyfin
Google Play Audiobooks/Books → Audible/Kindle
Google Play Store (apps) → F-Droid / Aurora Store
Google Android → Lineage OS → Ubuntu Touch on PinePhone (coming soon?)
Google’s Android Apps → Simple Mobile Tools
Google Chrome → Mozilla Firefox
Google Domains → Hover
Google Hangouts → Matrix and Nextcloud Talk
Google Allo → Signal
Google Podcasts → PocketCasts → AntennaPod
Google Newsstand → RSS
Google Wallet → PayPal and Cash App
Google Voice →Ting Mobile

Migrating away from Google was not a fast or easy process. It took years to get where I am now and there are still several Google services that I depend on: YouTube and Google Home.

Eventually, my Google Home’s will grow old and become unsupported at which point hopefully the Mycroft devices have matured and become available for purchase. YouTube may never be replaced (although I do hope for projects like PeerTube to succeed) but I find the compromise of using only one or two Google services to be acceptable.

At this point losing my Google account due to a mistake in their machine learning would largely be inconsequential and my focus has shifted to leaving Amazon which I use for most of my shopping and cloud services.

The reason that I moved to mostly FOSS applications is that it seems to be the only software ecosystem where everything works seamlessly together and I don’t have to cede control to any single company. Alternatively I could have simply split my service usage up evenly across Google, Microsoft, Amazon, and Apple but I don’t feel that they would have worked as nicely together.

Overall I’m very happy with the open source ecosystem. I use Ubuntu with KDE on all of my computers and Android (no GApps) on my mobile phone. I’ve ordered the PinePhone “Brave Heart” and hope to one day be able to use it or one of its successors as a daily driver with Ubuntu Touch or Plasma Mobile.

I don’t want to give the impression that I exclusively use open source software either, I do use a number of proprietary apps including: Sublime Text, Typora, and Cloudron.

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82 responses to “Why I quit using Google”

January 9, 2020

Kyle Piira

@kyle I just installed the WordPress ActivityPub plugin to my blog. This is my first ActivityPub enabled blog post!https://wordpress.org/plugins/activitypub/
1. November 19, 2020
  
  Martine
  
  DuckDuck go is still Google. Use Yandex. They don’t censor results.
  
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  1. December 14, 2020
    
    Kyle Piira
    
    DuckDuckGo actually uses Bing on the backend not Google. Startpage is similar to DuckDuckGo but using Google instead.
January 10, 2020

thomas

@kyle The prospect of something like sudden account termination scares the hell out of me, but I'm still very invested with Google. I remain only through some combination of fear, procrastination, and denial. A dangerous trifecta!
January 10, 2020

igor

@kyle really wish there were cloud things in Europe 😔
1. January 12, 2020
  
  holly
  
  Nextcloud is a German project.
  
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  1. January 14, 2020
    
    James
    
    Kyle — what are you using to host Nextcloud? I have NextCloudPi on a Pi4 but would like to migrate to a Docker container on an x86 server but have struggled with the NextCloudPi x86 container. We want to implement Collabora but are waiting to do so after the migration.
    
    Many thanks for the great write up.
  2. January 15, 2020
    
    Kyle Piira
    
    I use Cloudron (also for my email) which takes care of backups, updates, etc. It has a one click install for Nextcloud, Collabora, and ONLYOFFICE. Unfortunately it doesn’t work on ARM so no Raspberry Pi (I’ve already complained to the developer about this) so I host it on Linode. It’s not FOSS nor cheap but I do find the convenience of it worth the money.
  3. February 3, 2020
    
    neo
    
    Starting from Nextcloud 18, you do not need a separate machine for Collabora, Nextcloud includes OnlyOffice by default.
January 11, 2020

JRDMB

@kyle Great writeup, lots of good messages, info, and references.Did you ever find out what caused the account suspension? Was it perhaps hacked, leading to the TOS violation? Or perhaps terminated due to inactivity? Or ?
1. January 11, 2020
  
  Kyle Piira
  
  No I never did find out. I was more worried at the time about Google linking my real account with the temp one (since it was listed as the recovery address) and taking down both.
  
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January 11, 2020

🐧🇨🇦 Kicou :fr_on:

@kyle I used to use Google for your Domain for the whole family but realised that we were depending too much on the Google ecosystem.We are now using Zimbra, Nextcloud, Collabora Office, Matrix/Synapse. I am waiting for a Librem5 and a PinePhone.The very last step was shared calendars because it was harder to seamlessly integrate with all family members' mobile devices. With Z-Push (activesync) and DavX⁵ (caldav) I finally managed to move everyone to Zimbra calendars last week!
January 11, 2020

Nikhil Jha

@kyle I’m still surprised that no one’s working on rooting the Echo Dot or Google Home. The current best method for the modern Echo Dot is soldering to sub-mm sized solder points to get r/w access to the eMMC.There are promising bugs in the bootup process that could allow takeover via USB, but I’m nowhere near skilled enough to try (yet).
1. January 12, 2020
  
  Bobble Tech
  
  There’s no point. The Home does nothing without Google servers, and the Echo does nothing without Amazon’s. They’re just microphone and speaker array with internet connectivity.
  
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  1. January 15, 2020
    
    PrototypeGoneProd
    
    Sounds like enough for a Home Assistant integration via Rhasspy to me!
January 11, 2020

Paul Gatling

@kyleDon't forget Google Keep -> @Carnet
1. February 11, 2020
  
  Chris Walk
  
  Standard Notes is a good alternative. Android, Windows, Linux, and Mac support. Also has Cloud sync with WebDav support.
  
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January 11, 2020

Starfish :parabola: :gnu:

@kyleVery well written post and I'll definitely be shating it with my google loving friends.
January 11, 2020

Redacted Life

@kyle I don't see many long-form articles cross my timeline but was happy to see this one that @caltlgin boosted. It was a very good read and well written. I always encourage others to take the same steps you have; Google provides *many* services that give real benefit to people and improve their quality of life but, as you said, for one, you're relying on a single entity for so much. Should a server go down or a data breach occur, millions of people slums be adversely affected. That alone should be reason enough not to use all of their services. Taking the privacy concerns into consideration, however, brings the issue to a whole new level, one that I think many people don't fully appreciate.
January 11, 2020

Amolith

@kyle I don't see many long-form articles cross my timeline but was happy to see this one that @caltlgin boosted. It was a very good read and well written. I always encourage others to take the same steps you have; Google provides *many* services that give real benefit to people and improve their quality of life but, as you said, for one, you're relying on a single entity for so much. Should a server go down or a data breach occur, millions of people slums be adversely affected. That alone should be reason enough not to use all of their services. Taking the privacy concerns into consideration, however, brings the issue to a whole new level, one that I think many people don't fully appreciate.
January 11, 2020

Jørgen Kjenstad

@kyle Great list. I recently installed an appsuit from F-Droid. These are great apps.
Simple Gallery
Simple Contacts
Simple Clock
Simple Calculator
Simple Files
January 11, 2020

WyliecoyoteUK

@kyle Although I am not a big Google user, I recently moved house and changing address and email address on all my online accounts was a long process, especially as these days most use your email address as a username. There are still 2 accounts that I cannot change my user name on. It was further complicated by the fact that my house was newly built and the postcode was not recognised by most companies' databases, including Google's.I use FOSS as much as I can and avoid Amazon.
January 11, 2020

Perflyst

@kyleI really enjoyed it, nice to read!But I wonder why you quite all google services for other properitary user tracking services which also just could delete your account.Why did you switch away from Google Wallet or Music?And for YouTube, you can use https://invidio.us instead. Of course you still depend on YouTube but at least they dont track you anymore
January 11, 2020

Thibault

@kyle I really think @funkwhale would be of interest for you, regarding your music usage.https://funkwhale.audio
January 11, 2020

Timon of Athens

@kyle @andreas this is really well written and argued, thanks, even gave me some new services to look at.One thing: ebooks – maybe look at a non-amazon device that uses the open ePub format over a closed “rent seeker” system. If you lose your amazon account, you lose the books.
January 11, 2020

:parabola: selea :trisquel:

@kyle That "wakeup call" is surely something that would destroy alot of lifes if is would happend to someone else – I would be devastated.The journey you described is awesome, I wish that more people could think like you do 🙂
January 11, 2020

Anonymous

@kyle Pumped for that pine phone too, as for google dependency I dunno most of it is pretty passable or a waste of time? youtubes only claim to fame is the community and I never saw google or its sign ins as having any real value
January 11, 2020

:ggc: Niklas

@kyle Very interesting post 👍 I remember there was a time when I used every Google service,too.At least the free ones.I even had a Chromebook some time ago 😕 I wasn't hit with a account termination notice but I simply felt that life is much better and easier with open source software.Some years ago I deleted my account myself and never regretted it 😃
January 11, 2020

Retraite du Grenier

@kyleGood job,I sûre hope you end up deleting by yourself your Google account and prevent their tracking with #floss things, it is now time for Google to get the wake up call: we humans dont want to sell all pur friends and familly asses and rights to use the internet and the Web.The gift economy is here to show how unwelcome their unethical business is.#fuckoffgoogle #deletefacebook #surveillancecapitalism #cryptoanarchy
January 11, 2020

Anonymous

@kyle Interessting article, thank you! Did you find a real good alternative die Google notes/keep? Until now I didn't find any FOSS app which provide multi-user editing / sharing.
1. January 13, 2020
  
  nada
  
  there is
  https://joplinapp.org/
  and a bunch of others integrated via nextcloud
  
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January 11, 2020

Hawk1291 :manjaro:

@kyle I have had a very similar story. I actually felt like I was reading about my own journey. We have even made most of the same decisions on alternatives so far. I didn't have a scare though. I can't quite pinpoint what finally made things click, it was just a slow change of thinking. Very cool, thank you for posting!
January 11, 2020

ed(1) conference

@kyle I’d add that Google Reader was pretty readily replaced by ttrss (Tiny Tiny RSS). At least it has served sufficiently for my wife’s needs. I switched to rss2email when Reader died and like having the full power of my mail-client for purposes of reading RSS.
1. February 3, 2020
  
  Sam Johnson
  
  On the same journey since adopting Fastmail 20 years ago. It would need a separate article but countermeasures to suppress surveillance are also needed (using DNS filter, VPN, browser extensions etc.).
  
  Ghost (https://ghost.org) is a nice alternative to WordPress. Also open source but less of a time suck.
  
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January 11, 2020

Anonymous

@kyle Ayyy, Ting! I've used Ting, they're awesome!
January 11, 2020

T

@kyle Great article! I'd be curious to see your journey away from Amazon. Right now, I'm reliant on Amazon because my family is in the U.S. and I'm in the U.K., it's the only way I can send gifts without being charged/charging them customs (gov't thievery) nonsense.
January 11, 2020

brnrd | Sp1l | Barnerd

@kyle LineageOS without Gapps, how did you get (push-?)notifications to work?
January 11, 2020

magellano

@kyle , glad to see you made the move. I too started my degooglisation … need to figure out how to get rid of Amazon now … its going to be so painful though … its just too easy to use … and that is why its such a bgi problem moving away
January 11, 2020

Xavi

Thanx for the read @kyleYou'd like to read this, @checksom
January 11, 2020

gudenau

@kyle I'd love to host a bunch of stuff for personal/family use. I'm just not in a position to get a business grade connection to not have to worry about something happening to my residential….
January 11, 2020

Daniel 🇪🇺

@kyle its not a Webservice, but a good photo management tool: digikam
January 11, 2020

Dr David Clubb

@kyle This is an inspirational post – potentially of interest for @switchingsoftware
January 11, 2020

Azure Blue

@kyle your story is shocking. I don’t know anyone who has invested their whole life into google. Seriously. Glad you left it.
January 11, 2020

Steve R

I must say this was an interesting read however i am a little perplexed at why a dorment account would trigger a terms of service breach? Though it wasn’t the main focus it is the reason the whole thing turned south.

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1. January 12, 2020
  
  Kyle Piira
  
  Yeah, I really have no idea. Maybe someone at Google was trying to clean up unused accounts. Either way, it still made me realize that I had taken on far more risk than I wanted.
  
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January 12, 2020

Karl H

Nice write up. I use some of the alternatives as well and got some tips on more from you, thanks!

For people wanting a Google Keep alternative, check out Standard Notes https://standardnotes.org/

Web, android, iOS, Windows, Linux, free version (I ended up paying, it’s the best app of its type that I’ve seen).

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January 12, 2020

Massimo

Cloud: the FSFE (European branch of the FSF, Free Software Foundation) motto is, quite correctly, “There is no cloud, only other people computers”).
However, there is a secure “cloud” storage service in Europe, called Tresoreit, rather expensive. Think of it as a Dropbox done right and no CIA, NSA, DIA, FSB, Mossad, MI6 etc. inspection of your files, claiming to be GDPR (DuckDuckGo for it) compliant.

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January 12, 2020

Parnikkapore

@kyle Right now, for me Google Docs still has a few advantages on its sleeves: the UI and UX is far more polished than LibreOffice, and real-time collabs are easy to use. Although it looks like Collabora is finally filling in that void!I'm currently using GPhotos as a free™ off-site backup solution, although I have classical backups available. My parents are aware enough of privacy stuff that they won't photograph sensitive documents with their phones.
January 12, 2020

Dan

@kyle this is incredibly helpful for someone just starting this journey. thanks!
January 12, 2020

Ano

Can you trust Apple more, you think? I rely heavily on Apple apps and iCloud.

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1. January 12, 2020
  
  Kyle Piira
  
  Depends on how much Apple’s software relies on your Apple ID. Do you feel that you could continue using your computers sufficiently if Apple accidentally suspended your account?
  
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January 12, 2020

Julien Deswaef

@kyle This is a great article. Thanks a lot for putting it together. I'd be curious to hear you on your move from Plex to Jellyfin. How you managed that? How was the transition? Does it have feature parity? What are your thoughts on boh. Maybe a good subject for another article? 😉
January 12, 2020

Kevin

Great article. Depending on a single company is not a good choice, expecially if you know that they collect your personal data in order to profile you and and serve ads (or maybe sell your data). The one thing that made the most impact in my life was to change the stock android on my phone with /e/ . This way I got rid of Google but I still can run the Android apps I like. It is not uploading data to Google and it totally open source and private. You can check e.foundation for it

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January 12, 2020

new26

I was deeply embedded in the Google ecosystem …
I would upload all of my family photos to Google Photos and all of my personal documents to Google Drive …
I used Google Hangouts …
My home is covered with Google Homes …
I have easily invested thousands of dollars into my Google …

Honest question: why should one take advice from someone showing such a systematic pattern of poor judgement?

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1. January 12, 2020
  
  Kyle Piira
  
  Well I didn’t give any advice in this blog post. I just gave my reasons for leaving Google so when people ask me I can send them the link.
  
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January 12, 2020

mezzodrinker

@kyle Thanks for the insight :blobthumbsup:
January 12, 2020

pinkprius

@kyle the #wordpress #ActivityPub plugin gave you 10x the blog reads that you would've had normally, correct? 😂
January 12, 2020

sdub

@kyle Kyle, this is an excellent list and a compelling article. Thanks so much for sharing it!
January 13, 2020

Quantum

@kyle May I make a suggestion regarding Youtube?
January 13, 2020

Jesse Brown

@kyle Maybe also check out Keybase and LBRY.tv
January 13, 2020

Jez

It would be interesting to know what it costs you to self host everything and stay Google free?

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1. January 14, 2020
  
  Kyle Piira
  
  The costs are not insignificant. Probably around $40/mo.
  
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January 13, 2020

Joe

@kyle thank you very much for this big post. I'm at the beginning of this process right now.
January 13, 2020

Sabex

@kyleI'm still sore about Google Reader. That's about when I de-Googled.
January 14, 2020

Eliott

Don’t do evil was the original Google motto. Some people would say that this monopolistic situation wasn’t planned. But there it is. And there is the danger. Thanks for the warning, and all the best.

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January 15, 2020

billy

im just starting the journey. i also ordered a pinephone and switched to firefox. one thing I miss is the google search info for local businesses. duck duck go doesnt have the store hours and stuff right there in the search page. its small things like that that I miss. the results are usually spot on though

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